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Bitching, whining and mob mentality

Journal Entry: Thu Nov 20, 2008, 10:17 AM


I'm going to be writing about a bunch of things in this journal but as my to-do list is on my laptop which has gone to work with my husband today, chances are I'll be adding an update later when my laptop comes home.  And yet again, long journal is long.


:star: moonbeam13 devwear
Please go and fav this news article and vote in this poll.  Spank you very much!


:star: horror calendars
Have you made a horror photography calendar that's for sale on dA?  If you have, please send me a link.  If you haven't but are thinking of doing so, do it soon and send me a link.  Like before 5th December.  There may be some special features coming up for kick-ass dA calendars...


:star: dissing daily deviations
This is something that I've been aware of on dA long before becoming a gallery moderator and it's always annoyed me.  When someone is given a Daily Deviation, a spotlight is shone on a piece of their work for a day.  They have been given a very special surprise, a recognition of their talent and the opportunity to get a little more attention from the community as a whole.  It feels awesome to get a DD and people should be able to enjoy a day of shiny happy yumminess when their work is featured.

Unfortunately any form of additional attention on this site brings the whiners out of the woodwork and DDs often end up with unpleasant comments from bitter people throwing a jealousy fit because someone else is getting to enjoy something that they don't have.

This is NOT acceptable.  If you have a problem with a Daily Deviation that I have featured, feel free to contact me directly by note and I will be more than happy to explain my choice to you and answer any questions that you have (providing that your contact is polite and non-abusive).  Do not, under any circumstances, leave bitchy or derogatory comments on the deviation itself.  And familiarise yourself with this FAQ please:

FAQ #873: What do I do when I disapprove of a Daily Deviation feature?


:star: art theft army
ATASTAMP by arttheftarmy
arttheftarmy is a new group set up to help deal with off-dA art theft and copyright violation.  I know there are other groups out there doing a similar thing and there's a Rip Reporting forum</b>, but since this group is new I thought it would be good to draw attention to it.

I have never found a rip of my work by myself.  Reports of rips have always come from other people who have recognised my work elsewhere on the net and been kind enough to let me know about it.  When this happens, I report the copyright infringement to the site where it has occurred, leave a comment (if possible) on the picture stating that it is my copyrighted work and is being used without permission (I always include my name and website URL so people can contact me if they want to) and then I move on.  If I find a rip of someone else's work, I make them aware of it so they can deal with it as they see fit.

I am thankful to the people who have drawn my attention to my work being used without my permission because they have enabled me to prevent my work from being sold (in some cases) and being used in ways that I don't approve of.  arttheftarmy provides a resource, a group of people looking out for each other's work and helping each other.  This kind of support is especially useful if your work is being used on a site based in a country where you don't speak the language, or a site that you have never used or contacted before.

I am supportive of groups like this providing they act fairly and justly, don't harrass or abuse people here or on any other site, and remain a resource rather that an angry mob (more on angry mobs in a bit).  I would like to make it very clear that I believe abusive behaviour is NEVER the way to solve any problem.

If your work has been used without your permission, you might find some useful information in the news article I recently submitted: Dealing with online copyright violations.

My article doesn't deal with dA copyright violations.  There is plenty of information about what is an isn't permitted within dA's policies in the Help & FAQ menu</b> and if you want to know how to report rips on dA, please read this FAQ entry:

FAQ #155: How do I report a deviation which I think breaks the rules?


:star: angry mobs
I'm sure you've seen angry mobs in action around these parts before, flame-bombing people's pages and deviations, writing bitchy journals about other deviants and calling them out by name, and jumping on rabid-fan bandwagons.  Put simply, this behaviour sucks.  It's obnoxious, abusive and in the worst cases can land you with a temporary suspension or even a permanent ban.

If you see something that breaks the rules here, report it.  Reporting it for the 800th time just for the sake of making a report is not a show of support - it's a pain in the neck for staff who deal with the reports. One report is enough and the Help Desk staff and CEA team deserve to be able to work without harrassment.

Jumping into the middle of someone else's dArama or giving someone shit because of something another person said is unnecessary and pointless, and more often than not will just make you look stupid.  Encouraging your hordes of fans to flame and bitch at/about someone you feel has wronged you is unnecessary, pointless AND pathetic.  If you have a problem with someone on the site you can block them from commenting on your page or your work, deal with the issue in private through notes, or report their behaviour if they are violating policy.

FAQ #238: How do I report people for abuse, harassment, or another issue I think is a problem?






:thumb104033321: Frought by TazzyDee
Evidence by TheOn3LeftBehind The Ring by smkdesigns








:+fav: Seduced by Shadow by slephoto




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smkdesigns Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2008
thank u for the featureee
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pulbern Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
Mobs are cool on tv shows but that's about it! I like the way you think! :highfive:
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TanyaSimoneSimpson Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2008
Mobs of zombies are alright too :nod:
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taeliac Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2008  Professional Artisan Crafter
Well said indeed! There is no reason to bash people; other than perhaps envy, but then perhaps you're better bet would be to do something amazing, and be sure people get to see it, and eventually, you may get a DD on it! I know a lot of DD's are things that aren't recent, but have been in dA galleries for a while now, and diserve a bit more of a highlight! Patience, people, and quality of work! :shakefish:
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TanyaSimoneSimpson Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2008
I'm trying to keep a balance between stuff that's new to dA and stuff that's been here a little longer in my DD choices. It upsets me when I see people leaving mean comments on those DDs, but its awesome to see how vastly outnumbered they are by the positive comment. It's good to know that there are still lots of people out there who can be happy for someone else doing well.
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PorcelainPoet Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2008
I noticed you have a horror DD section in your faves... might as well add mine: [link] ;)
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TanyaSimoneSimpson Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2008
That collection is for DDs I featured so I can look back at them and not forget any. Your picture is in my Delicious Fear Collection though :)
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PorcelainPoet Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2008
Ohhh okay, I get it. Sorry lol, Nevermind.
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dethblossem Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2008
most excellent!

if there is one thing that I loved about this post it is the following:

"Unfortunately any form of additional attention on this site brings the whiners out of the woodwork"

that is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth- my god it pisses me off when I am viewing a DD and I scroll down to leave a comment and I see all of the assholish remarks - a few months back there was a DD given to a really sweet girl on a piece which dealt with a very touchy subject. I could not believe the dickhead remarks that people left her on it and all because they were jealous and pissed off that she got a DD.

Then, there are those assholes out there who have the "I have 55538383875575757 pageviews and they only have 800 so why didn't I get the DD...wahhhhhhh" syndrome and I cannot fucking stand that. When will some of these bloody little chumps figure out that pageviews do not mean anything when it comes to the quality of the art?

Jesus, I have stumbled upon sites that have next to no recognition at all and the art is out of this world. Ugh...and the other thing that pisses me off are the people who are so goddamn self- serving that they actually write to GD's or now, Moderators, and ask personally for a DD on their own damn work! :|

You could not have stated it better above...getting a DD is getting a very special gift. It is a privilege and not a right and those who get DD's deserve the recognition and the positive attention.

ok, ok, I shall now shut my mouth. Thanks for the excellent journal entry as per usual :glomp:
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TanyaSimoneSimpson Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2008
Yay! I love big long journal comments. I feel so lucky with the watchers I have cause you're a smart and chatty bunch and it makes writing journals so much more fun. I actually don't mind if people suggest their own work for DDs. At least I'd rather they did that than left mean comments on other people's DDs. Its impossible to please everyone and there will always be people who complain. When I've had DDs there have been people who left bitchy comments but the supportive comments far outnumbered the nasty ones, so I hope that artists who's work I feature feel the same.
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exarobibliologist Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2008  Professional Photographer
Good journal! Very well said. :#1:

I totally agree that a $Moonbeam13 shirt is way overdue!

And that is one thing that has always gotten on my nerves; people complaining about daily deviations. I do remember getting a couple weird comments on my DD like that. I have a policy to support DA staff whether I agree with the DD's or not; and frankly, I can't think of any time I've ever disagreed with the DD's selected. I don't understand why some people feel that a DD is their license to being out the unpleasant comments, flame-bombing, and bitter jealousy. What childish behavior. :roll:
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TanyaSimoneSimpson Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2008
I think a lot of people who complain about DDs don't understand the concept of personal taste, that them not liking something doesn't automatically make it bad. If everyone who complained took the time to make a few good suggestions, even of their own work, it would result in more smiles all round :)
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exarobibliologist Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2008  Professional Photographer
I remember getting into the hot topic of personal taste with some DA-haters last year, back during the "DA is turning into MySpace" dArama...
As I recall there were several issues, but one of them was they wanted to ban users who used small digital cameras and webcams just because the image didn't fit with their enlightened personal taste.

I remember reading a comment directed to me from a DA-hater that my camera shots should be taken off DA because they were too low-rez to be art. I got so furious that I opened a new journal and just started typing... and after I had expressed my opinion 2000+ words later this was the result: [link]

I'm a big advocate of advanced critique without the whining.

I know I can be a bitch at times, and I'm an even bigger bitch when I'm fighting someone else's bitching...
But I certainly hope I've never hurt another deviant with unfair whining about their art.
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TanyaSimoneSimpson Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2008
When I first joined dA I was using a 2.1mp compact digicam and some of the photos I took with it are still among my favourites from my own work. Better tools can open up new windows of opportunity but an artist should be able to get an awesome shot from a phone camera or a webcam cause the art comes from the person, not the equipment. I wonder if anyone has ever asked a painter how much their watercolours cost or looked down on a painting cause it wasn't painted on expensive enough canvas.

That journal of yours that you linked to is awesome. I think the point that we were here before MySpace should be stressed. MySpace is turning into us!
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exarobibliologist Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2008  Professional Photographer
I think when I first started DA, I was using a webcam to capture random objects for use as textures for use in several 3D programs - which turned out to be a radical concept since texture files needed to be a minimum of 50*50 (the size of an avatar), but using a webcam I made my texture files 150*150 which gave them much higher quality.

I think the biggest problem I had with haters initially was with the program I used by textures in, Terragen. Since I have virtually no life as a nerd, I spent 15+hours a day on Terragen. Thus I submitted massive amounts of Terragen artwork. I submitted so much Terragen art that people actually said it wasn't art because I just auto-generated everything and clicked render. It took me years to prove to the people who had never tried it that there was no Instant Art button in Terragen.

And that I believe is probably the reason we have skeptics like this popping up every year... most people who get on the bandwagon with other haters shouting that certain things aren't art have never actually tried the art out for themselves to see how hard it is.

MySpace is turning into DA!? Have you seen DA lately? lolol:lmao:
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The-Lady-of-Shalott Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2008
I am so sick of journals bitching about horrible daily deviations!

Most of the people who complain have never had one, and thinks that they are entitled to one.

One person I watched started flaming daily deviations and ACTUALLY said that she was so talented that she deserved one everyday (she's good, but not that good). She also said that nude photos shouldn't be allowed to be daily deviations because they're "disgusting."

Ugh, I shouldn't get started, I could ramble about this forever.
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TanyaSimoneSimpson Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2008
Oh dear, people freaking out about art nudes crack me up. I wonder if people like that ever look in the mirror when they're naked or does even their own body offend them?
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The-Lady-of-Shalott Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2008
oh i know! I wonder if they only have sex with their clothes on and the lights out hehehe.
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Barchielhail Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2008
Yeay learned some new things today. :D
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TanyaSimoneSimpson Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2008
So did I. I learned that on a Friday afternoon it can take almost 45 minutes to drive 5 miles in Edinburgh. Bloody traffic!
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Barchielhail Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2008
That's nutz! Why did it take that long?
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TanyaSimoneSimpson Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2008
Roadworks everywhere, it sucks. They're putting in a tram system and it seems like every road in the city is being dug up at the moment. I can't wait for it to be finished!
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Barchielhail Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2008
That does suck. Do you know how long the roadwork will last?
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TanyaSimoneSimpson Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2008
Apparently the tram works will be finished by 2011. Eek!
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Barchielhail Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2008
Eek indeed. That's along time for road work.
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Bloodredsangre Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
Yay! Well said love! I always hated it when people did that to the artists of my choices. It made me feel like a DD was a double edged sword.
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TanyaSimoneSimpson Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2008
"It made me feel like a DD was a double edged sword"

Exactly. I actively WANT to feature stuff that's going to be controversial and get people talking cause so much good horror art has exactly that effect, but I don't want the artists to be upset by horrible comments. At least the majority of people here are sweet and supportive, so even when there are nasty comments they're always vastly outnumbered by the nice ones.
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FaMz Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2008  Professional General Artist
but why do they do it? If you really think you art is good enough, you just might get one. Being bitchy is only going to minimize or more so nullify their chances of positive recognition

Great Journal!
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TanyaSimoneSimpson Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2008
I think the people who complain about how so-and-so got a Daily Deviation and shouldn't have cause their work is so much better etc should just bite the bullet and suggest their own work since people are allowed to do that now. It's much harder to actually put yourself forward for something than it is to sit back and bitch, but I think self-promotion is a good thing so I would LOVE to get some self-suggestions :)
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FaMz Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2008  Professional General Artist
I agree, thats why I've allowed deviants to suggest themselves, its gunna be on a whim though, also think it'll be more fun for them too :D
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enchanted-black-rose Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ugh, about the DD's....journals like this [link] really piss me off. Too angry to comment cuz I'll just flame. Especially the comment someone had the audacity to make about "sucking up to DD staff members."
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TanyaSimoneSimpson Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2008
The funny thing is, in the almost-four-years I've been on dA there have ALWAYS been people saying that the DDs aren't as good as they used to be. I want to know then this supposed time of wonderful daily deviations happened, or if it has more to do with people realising they've been on the site for a few years and haven't had a DD yet, so it must be down to the bad taste of the people who feature things as DDs.
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slephoto Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2008  Hobbyist Photographer
Yep. I moderate a daily contest for 18+ images (a category that includes nudes, fetish/bondage images, and blood images) on another site and we get a lot of people crying about how bad the winners suck.

The people crying are almost invariably the people who're getting no votes.

The WORST whiners are people who WERE getting votes in the early days and then when new people came in and the contest got bigger they became less popular. They can't stand that.
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TanyaSimoneSimpson Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2008
I always thought that losing with grace was something most people were taught as children, a lesson that should be carried into adulthood and practiced where it's losing an online contest or losing out to a colleague on a promotion. It makes me sad that so many people don't seem to have ever learned that lesson.
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slephoto Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2008  Hobbyist Photographer
It's an entitlement attitude that so many people have. Good sportsmanship, losing with grace, accepting that we're not all winners & special snowflakes isn't something most people understand. :-(
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TanyaSimoneSimpson Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2008
One of my deal-breakers for friendship has always been whether or not the person can be supportive of and excited for other people's achievements without getting all bitter and twisted. It's such an important thing to me and I don't understand how anyone could've grown up without that ability.
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enchanted-black-rose Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:nod: I really think that's what it boils down to.
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PorcelainPoet Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2008
*Behavior I DON'T approve of...

lol....

totally didn't mean to say that I did approve of it. I'm tired.
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TanyaSimoneSimpson Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2008
I know you weren't encouraging anything bad :hug: No doubt Multiply has had a LOT of reports about her by now, from all the people she stole from. Hopefully her galleries will be emptied soon!
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PorcelainPoet Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2008
Yeah I'm actually surprised it is taking them this long with the volume of complaints they must have gotten. But we're all hoping and waiting for action to be taken. ;)
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PorcelainPoet Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2008
Just wanna clarify, if there has been any harassment or drama going on after my journal entry notifying people of the art theft situation...

it was in no way my intention to create it.

I didn't want drama, I was simply stating my case. And I never said a mean word towards that girl other than maybe "dumb". Although I never said it publicly. I am not one to harass people....
so if anybody who's art was involved in being stolen by her is harassing her or doing anything that DA wouldn't approve of, it's definitely behavior I approve of....

;)
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IanStruckhoff Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2008  Professional General Artist
I have been relatively lucky. So far, no real flames on either of my two DDs. It may help that I do artistic nudes, a category where people are usually unusually flattering in their comments.

Just remember "You can't please all of the people all the time". If something gets a lot of attention, and only a few people are upset by it, I think of that as success.
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TanyaSimoneSimpson Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2008
"You can't please all of the people all the time"

Exactly, and if we only chose DDs based on their potential to be completely inoffensive, the DDs section would be very boring indeed :aww:
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Readerkevin Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2008  Hobbyist Photographer
"Angry Mobs" - perhaps limiting our first responses to found off rips to polite requests to remove offensive artworks. Which if met with ignorance, or in this case plain rudeness, a note explaining that failure to remove will result in reporting to the sites administrators.

If nothing is done, then reporting the violation in ATA and posting the link to the ripped artworks as well as the link to the "report violation" button so that instead of the mob leaving angry messages on the person who clearly doesn't care website, we can support each other to ensure that the website itself removes the material.

It is frustrating in this case however, because she was asked politely and she responded rudely and it has been several days now and reports have been made to the administrators and the artworks are STILL up... we can see that she has logged in since the time she has been requested to remove the material and nothing has happened.

I suppose we should still endeavor to not simply follow one internet privacy violation with another. Patience is perhaps a virtue.

On bitching about DD, I've only ever had one and I was damn proud of the fact. I'm just getting into photography and I would find any negative comments extremely disheartening. Constructive criticism is one thing, but nasty comments are just rude. dA has always been great for people who favorite new artists and make great suggestions for how one could improve ones work, I sincerely hope it stay that way!
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TanyaSimoneSimpson Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2008
I'm hoping that the administration at Multiply just haven't gotten to our reports yet and will take the right action when they do. I've given up even bothering to contact people directly when they're using my work cause from past experience it has always resulted in unpleasantness and nothing getting dealt with by the end of it.
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Readerkevin Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2008  Hobbyist Photographer
hmmm.... I'm thinking that at least a cursory polite note asking them to take it down might be a good thing and it if it is not then ignoring them and going straight to the site administration. I've never had any of my artwork stolen and I doubt anyone would but I have lost friends from deviantART because they got sick and tired of having their work stolen or put up without being asked.

*hugs* ... hopefully this will all be resolved quickly.
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TanyaSimoneSimpson Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2008
"I'm thinking that at least a cursory polite note asking them to take it down might be a good thing"

It's not always worth the effort. I used to always contact people directly first and ask them to remove my images and didn't receive a polite response once, never mind have the person actually take the image down. Unfortunately it seems that people who are happy to use images that they find on the internet (even ones with visible watermarks) aren't of the mindset that they should remove the images from their page when asked :(
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Readerkevin Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2008  Hobbyist Photographer
Yeah... I'm getting that. I suppose I'm just too nice or always see the best in people. *sigh*... at least I think we won this time. The artworks seem to have been taken down!
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IreneLangholm Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
Mobs; oh my fucking gods, I can't think of anything more infantile and petty.
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TanyaSimoneSimpson Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2008
And they never solve anything.
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